The subjects discussed include the impact of COVID 19 on the world and on the rule of law, human rights and legal practice; the rapidly growing use of AVL (audiovisual link) to keep court rooms open and judicial business being addressed; problems in AVL; whether automated decision-making is the next technological step 2 expedite and reduce the costs of litigation; and the special problems of automated decision-making in criminal law; legal cases requiring fresh thinking and new perceptions of justice and human rights; and the importance of dissent and disagreement in judicial development of the law.